Friday, January 08, 2010

Ignorance is Inherited

This just makes me sad.

The note from the ignorant parent reads:
“Note: Just to let you it is not that we don’t believe in things like that, it is just misleading when you talk about it being billions of years old, when we all know that the world is only about 6,000 years old. So why would I pay so that you can misslead my children, your world is just a revolving(?), ours has a start and an end. God created the world. He created animals and man all in the same week. It was also Adam who named all the animals, they will do the essay ‘Rock and Minerals’ but it might not be 5 pages long, and about billions of years, it will be according to the Bible.”


ck said...

Why, because somebody believes in a Big God?

Lets be honest here... nobody REALLY knows. Nobody was here.

If you believe in a big God, can the world be just 6K years old in spite of all of the worlds best guesses? Yes.

Nobody was there to see how things really formed, EVERYTHING we have is a best guess. We've never seen how a fossil forms over thousands or millions of years.

ck said...

Forgot to add, things like this contradict a literal reading of the Bible. So for a Christian parent to have objection is not out of line. I actually discuss this stuff with my children. Letting them know that there is another option. A big God can do whatever a big God wants. If we believe enough to believe a man was crucified and raised from the dead three days later, how much more of a stretch is it to believe in the creation story?

Scientist (and science) is not infallible.

Roland Hulme said...

Hey CK,

As I've said before, evolution and the theory of evolution isn't incompatible with a belief in God. A more general faith and interpretation of the Bible (like the Catholics have) contradicts nothing in science.

The idea of the world being 6,000 years old, though, DOES contradict science. Your suggestion, that God could have snapped his fingers and conjured a complete world into being exactly 6,000 years ago, is perfectly feasible - but why couldn't he have done the same six seconds ago?

But many Christians wouldn't accept that because it wasn't in the bible.

ck said...

Actually I think evolution, as generally understood (one species to another), does contradict scripture (and common sense).

Evolution, (species adapt.. taller, stronger, etc..) does not contradict scripture.

I never said a 6K year old Earth doesn't contradict Science. I just have a choice to either believe that the Earth CAN be 6K years old... or that it can't.

The fact remains, nobody REALLY knows for sure. Because if there is a God, then it could have been a snap of the fingers... with an Earth that looks 'old' to us.

I acknowledge that Science 'confirms' an old Earth. I recognize the power of God is greater than any human understanding, and not provable (for or against... you can't disprove God) by Science.

ck said...

You're making me want to do a post in jest... with a title ignorance is inherited and show an image of Barack Obama swearing in.

50+ million ignorant folks.

Roland Hulme said...

You can't disprove God by science... yet.

Actually, in all seriousness the more I look into it, the more I think scripture and science can be reconciled. I imagine 'God' is something that fits into both. For example, God is supposed to be eternal, he's always been there, always will be, before the universe was created and long after it's faded to dust.

Science says the same about energy. Energy is everywhere. It cannot be destroyed, only change form. Therefore, even the loosest description of energy matches the basic description of 'God' from the Bible.

What's ridiculous is the notion of a man with a big white beard peering down at us from the clouds.

Susanne said...

"What's ridiculous is the notion of a man with a big white beard peering down at us from the clouds."

Definitely! The Bible states that God is spirit and does not have a body like man.

As for the evolution/creation debate, I don't really know. But I just believe the first part of Genesis 1:1 literally -- "In the beginning God." Doesn't really matter how or when, I just believe God is the Author of life.

What I have problems with is when evolutionists/scientists use their discoveries to say there is no God. Many of them don't want to believe there is a God because if they do, they might have to be accountable to a Higher Power. And humans want to do whatever they want with little accountability/responsibility. Not everyone, but enough of them do.

Look at the world and you'll see proof of this - even among so-called believers! :-/

ck said...

Definitely! The Bible states that God is spirit and does not have a body like man.

Does it? Where?

Actually the Bible is very NON-descriptive about God or people in general.

Susanne said...

CK, John 4:24 says "God is spirit."

I think the Bible describes God somewhat - not fully. How can we explain something outside of our ability to understand? God's not small enough to fit inside our limited human brains. Would we want Him to be that little?

ck said...

Now Suzanne, I could get into a big debate about scripture with you... but not meant for this blog.

Your quote is not in context and I could counter scripture for scripture, but is that good for anybody?

I agree that:
"God's not small enough to fit inside our limited human brains. Would we want Him to be that little?"

Yet that is exactly what you and Roland attempted to do. Him to energy, you to God being a 'spirit'

God is simply, God. God at times appeared as human. God at times was just a voice. God is simply, God.

Susanne said...

Yes, CK, that's right. Sorry. I was just quoting the verse from Jesus.

I am sorry for trying to limit God by calling him that. I was just countering that he wasn't likely some bearded old man peering down from heaven.


Roland Hulme said...

That's assuming God exists at all, or that any Christian interpretation of him, her, or it has the remotest relevance to what God is or isn't. I personally don't think God exists at all - and a scientific interpretation, such as the 'God force' merely being energy, is most likely.

My grandfather was a priest and used to have a joke he found hilarious - a fellow priest died and went to heaven and was granted an audience with god. When he came out, all his friends asked: "What was God like."

The priest, astonished, replied: "I can't believe it - she's black!"

Susanne said...

Roland, cute joke.

She's black in "The Shack," too. :)