tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13313594.post3370493801214475928..comments2023-11-03T01:24:37.142-07:00Comments on Militant Ginger: Why do Christians hate Gay People?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13313594.post-91715208506488114872012-08-05T18:17:06.776-07:002012-08-05T18:17:06.776-07:00Being gay is how your born u can't choose to s...Being gay is how your born u can't choose to stop it otherwise you would be lying to yourself. I'm 14 and openly gay and don't give a damn what people think, it's my happiness not theirs. When my mom figured it out I put myself in a mental hospital because I was suicidal and extremely depressed. Saying that god looks down upon homosexuals is bs because where all equal in his eyes. It's not a sin to be gay and it will never be.Nate22https://www.blogger.com/profile/11503255082969304102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13313594.post-69949859658736918422012-04-27T02:57:44.003-07:002012-04-27T02:57:44.003-07:00I agree with this,
I mean so what if the bible say...I agree with this,<br />I mean so what if the bible says that homosexuality is a sin?<br />Where does it say 'oh also plz b**** about them to'<br />As you said some things may have been changed in translation, time and speech.<br />Also how can you believe about what humans say but not Jesus himself!<br />Someone told me yesterday Jessie J was a lesbian and my friend said 'eww' , that shocked me and then what got me more was when my other friend said ' i know', I just don't know why some people hate gays so much, or scared.<br />I mean if your son or daughter told you they were gay, would you break there hearts and say 'actually homosexuality is a sin', I mean come on if you said that to them they would probably cry, they would go on believing that there was something wrong with them and I think that is quite sad.Dasaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05784799514355887755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13313594.post-80425846370295241272012-03-06T17:04:50.756-08:002012-03-06T17:04:50.756-08:00[From the viewpoint of a straight Christian/Cathol...[From the viewpoint of a straight Christian/Catholic)<br /><br />We were always taught to love and respect everyone (no matter what).<br /><br />Gay people do not automatically go to hell. People keep misinterpreting the bible way too much. THINK, Christians. God always taught us to "Love Thy Neighbor". God also said that He Himself loves everyone equally. So, why the hate?<br /><br />This is really sad. Gay/lesbian people are JUST PEOPLE. Like us. They deserve the same treatment. I know God will treat them equally, but it seems humans won't.<br /><br />I also want to make clear that not all Christians hate gays. I am Christian and don't. However, there are a lot who do. They have been taught wrong.<br /><br />Love and tolerance, people! Come on!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13313594.post-42684117875312292322012-01-26T16:19:51.425-08:002012-01-26T16:19:51.425-08:00Several Points I'd like to insert about this v...Several Points I'd like to insert about this very poorly researched article and complete lack of understanding/knowledge of the Bible....<br /><br />1) I do not know one Christina that "hates gays' as the article implies short of Westboro Baptist, and I can give examples of just as cooky people on the left.<br /><br />2) Paul did meet Jesus, on the Road to Dimascus...Book of Acts<br /><br />3) Believing/trusting in Jesus goes hand in hand with turning away from sin...yes, anyone who truly belives in Him will be saved, however if there is no renunciation of sin, no repentance, there will be no forgiveness.<br /><br />4) Follows point 3---Paul did not contradict Jesus in I Cor 6:9....Jesus gives virtually the very same list in Rev 21; also if you keep reading into I Cor 6 verse 10, Paul explains that those people in vesr 9 were people in the church after they had 'been washed and sanctified' (forgiven)....notice the tense of the verb in verse 10 indicationg past tense...'such WERE some of you'<br /><br />4) Levitical Law---2 points A) The shellfish, linens, etc your making mention of are for cleanliness, more specifically ceremonial cleanliness. B) And even if the shellfish was a sin issue (which it's not), Jesus says that it's not what goes into a man that defiles him, but what proceeds forth out of his body.<br /><br />5) Finally, You quote II Tim 3:16 (ALL Scripture is God-breathed), but then you give more weight to what the Lord said versus the other writers of Scripture. This contradicts the point you were trying to make. Also, Christians, believe that ALL of the Bible are Jesus' words, remeber that's His name, the Word.<br /><br />Lastly, no one hates you. I have sin in my life too. the only difference between me and you is I'm not trying to rationalize my sin through a sophomoric understnding of the issues at hand. When I sin, I'm convicted of it, I repent, and beg God to help me sin no more. I urge you to do the same, turn away from your sin, not just homosexuality, but all of it. God is just and able to forgive you.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08199524821615308013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13313594.post-18435360064879645692010-12-22T16:57:36.370-08:002010-12-22T16:57:36.370-08:00Okay...first I will state that I am an atheist. I ...Okay...first I will state that I am an atheist. I have always been an atheist and I enjoy getting into arguments with Christians and Catholics and Methodists and people of that sort. <br /><br />I disliked being told by a five year old that I was going to Hell for not believing, but I want to say something. The bible was written by...what do you know...HUMANS. Religion was created by...again...HUMANS. Judgements were created by...Humans. <br /><br />Don't you just hate that, you religious nuts?<br /><br />I want you to know something: humans are animals, weak animals who only have an extensive need for survival by using other things like FIRE and ROCKS and things of that nature. <br /><br />Jesus was a common name back in the day of BCE; and it was full of sexist liars. There were probably gays and bisexuals back then too. And adultery...there were brothels you know. The bible...yeah it's a book. <br /><br />Don't believe all the books you read or were told about, you know why? Because in this specific book there was incest: Adam and Eve anybody? They had three sons: Seth, Cain, and Abel...no daughters mentioned then. And adultery: anyone remember Lilith? And pedophilia: that dude who knocked up Sarah's kid, his stepdaughter who was like 9ish and that other guy who married a six year old.<br /><br />The bible is flawed, effed up, and hypocritical. Anyone can rewrite the bible. I might just do that too. Say I found a new translation in Ireland or something. <br /><br />People stop being so obsessed with a propaganda "the Holy Church" started for money. Hello...21st century here. <br /><br />Gays are just like you and there is only one scale for everyone.<br /><br />It's the Bisexual Scale or some other fancy name. It has to do with if you equally prefer both sexes, prefer females, prefer males, or you prefer a dusty old book. <br /><br />People, get over it already. We are not the only things in the universe, and if we were why would "GOD" want us around?<br /><br />Gays are normal, transsexual operations are normal, blacks were here first (well it's true), and I still know there is no petty God.<br /><br />BTW, love the article. "Thumbs up"treena-ivy-carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02567514211133979859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13313594.post-35473528753611862092010-10-16T22:25:20.731-07:002010-10-16T22:25:20.731-07:00Thank you for this Militant Ginger.
The greatest c...Thank you for this Militant Ginger.<br />The greatest commandment of all is to love your neighbor as yourself. I grew up in a fundamentalist Christian church. You had better be JUST LIKE THEM or they HATE you. I no longer consider myself to be 'religious'. I leave this for them. This is a social club network thing for them. God and Jesus is not in it. "You shall know them by their fruit". A fruit of the Spirit is not hate. But that is exactly what you get from these folks. I love them, but I cannot be a part of their hate. Jesus Christ to came to this earth for ALL people. He loves me. He loves you. That's it.big davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09122864717295843291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13313594.post-58766303964501834602010-05-13T21:04:32.750-07:002010-05-13T21:04:32.750-07:00Roland, you put up a argument. I will give you tha...Roland, you put up a argument. I will give you that. The main reason behind all the disagreements and feuding is that people have different opinions, different morals and different beliefs. For me, I am a wholehearted Christian, so I am not going to hate someone before I get to know them no matter what religion or what beliefs they have. I do dislike the 'concept' of homosexuality, yes, but there's no need to hate or insult someone's belief. You are right about the words “homosexual” and “homosexuality” not appearing in the Bible—at least they are absent from the original Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek texts. It could be possible that the authors of the Bible did not understand sexual orientation; this concept was only developed in the late 19th century. The writers had little or no comprehension of same-sex committed relationships. Their languages had no words for these concepts. Rather, they assumed that everyone was heterosexual, but that some heterosexuals engaged in sex with persons of the same gender. Thus, when you see one of these terms in an English translation of the Bible, it is important to dig deeper and find what the original Hebrew or Greek text really means. Most Christians despise homosexuality, because of Adam and Eve (a man and a woman) and all the other heterosexual relationships they hear about in the Bible. Yes, there is evidence of homosexual relationships as well, but it was usually with eunuchs who could not perform because of their castration. The original text does not really condemn homosexuality, but it also does not approve of it. All in all, religion is ever-changing; people have their faith based on what is preached to them, what time period we're in, and what kind of morals they have. Everyone is different. I think the best thing to do is to respect another's beliefs or at least tolerate them.IronTitan76https://www.blogger.com/profile/07384228201747573482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13313594.post-47530985067988159052009-12-05T19:29:55.807-08:002009-12-05T19:29:55.807-08:00United States of America was NOT built on Christia...United States of America was NOT built on Christian principles. <br /><br />"In 1797 America made a treaty with Tripoli, declaring that "the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." This reassurance to Islam was written under Washington's presidency, and approved by the Senate under John Adams.<br /><br /> The First Amendment To The U.S. Constitution:<br /> "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ." This quote came from web site www.ffrf.org/nontracts/xian.phpAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13313594.post-35651129657636999252009-10-29T10:04:43.903-07:002009-10-29T10:04:43.903-07:00The True christian says "God loves you just t...The True christian says "God loves you just the way you are"<br /><br />Only people who are filled with hate and fear say anything else...making them in turn sinners.<br /><br />Live and let live, I support LGBT and I think it comes down to thus; My mother and father were the christian standard and my mother went insane and abandoned me and my father was a heterosexual pedophile. So frankly, I would have rather had two "unnatural" mothers or fathers...rather than what I got.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13313594.post-34437858353867694962009-07-27T03:32:35.403-07:002009-07-27T03:32:35.403-07:00Having zero knowledge of the bible and thus no cap...Having zero knowledge of the bible and thus no capacity to argue with fundamental christians on "their turf", I turned to the internet to find a well put-together argument which cites scripture and then summarily disproves it as relevant. This post is exactly what I was looking for! Very well done! I feel properly armed now. I can't wait to see the looks on their faces when I start busting out scripture! Priceless!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13313594.post-82095111015011737902009-04-23T14:26:00.000-07:002009-04-23T14:26:00.000-07:00Dude you are awesome... christians dont get the re...Dude you are awesome... christians dont get the reasoning behind what people say when they are gay. Gays or bi are still humans we just have a lust for the different sex. Most christians would argue that it goes against the bible and god but we have been going against god for along time... though we dont like to believe it we all arent innocent as we like to think. <br />another thing is that all humans are born as both man and woman but then our body chooses one gender, maybe though our body has chosen its gender our mind hasent that could also be a factor of why some people are gay? <br />This is from a 14 year old that has hung out with gays all her life and has be yelled at and threaten for doing it even at the age of 9. Is this the world that the Christians want there kids to grow up in if they turn out to be gay or bi as well?Briananoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13313594.post-48466503146695156272009-04-11T19:16:00.000-07:002009-04-11T19:16:00.000-07:00Great message, Your points are so true, you my fri...Great message, Your points are so true, you my friend surely have a spot in the kingdom of God. I am a christian matter of fact I am a gay christian, I go to church atleast every sunday if not more. I know God better then those who hate me. With these "so called" christians that hate gays these are the people that God sees as an abombination when i lay down at night with the man i truly love think for a minute do you honestly know anyone whos goes by the bible word for word just a few, cutting your sideburns, a woman wearing pants, a woman having a job, mixing two fabrics together, eating pork, i could go on for hours the argument here is to anyone who thinks i can not get into due to being the WAY GOD MADE ME, i say grow up, read the bible more carefully, see how many sins you have commiteda sin , repent for hating gays or i feel your future will be answering to preaching your word and not God's, that will earn you a place in thae lake of fire.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03023144958731523224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13313594.post-23004541270135785952009-04-05T21:00:00.000-07:002009-04-05T21:00:00.000-07:00Very good points!! I can just say that Prop 8 and ...Very good points!! I can just say that Prop 8 and other laws banning gay marriage are just new Jim Crow Laws. I actually don't believe in a reliegion and I don't prosecute anyone who does but I think that nowadays some people use religion to just put other people down. I am unwilling to disciminate against ANYONE based on something that they can't help (like being gay) and right now we need more open minded people in politics who are willing to stop the abuse some homosexuals are going thru. Anyway good article. So easy a middle schooler understood (and appreciated) it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13313594.post-37943018164252379512009-03-19T11:28:00.000-07:002009-03-19T11:28:00.000-07:00EXCELLENT comment, Josh - the only problem is that...EXCELLENT comment, Josh - the only problem is that homosexuality isn't necessarily a sin - maybe not then, certainly not now. It's been twenty centuries since the bible was written. If our definition of right and wrong hasn't evolved by then (we don't have slaves, like the Bible did) then we're a pretty crappy society.Roland Hulmehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08979437320446956987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13313594.post-30663356387490811632009-03-19T11:19:00.000-07:002009-03-19T11:19:00.000-07:00Being a true Christian allows the freedom to truel...Being a true Christian allows the freedom to truely love people in light of the sacrifice that Christ made for us. A true Christian loves everyone, loving allows true respect BUT it does not mean acceptance. I love my children, but do a condone/accept them stealing? no! Do I respect the Federal/State/Municiple Governments yes! But it does not mean I condone/accept everything they do? There is a disconnect in society between true LOVE and ACCEPTANCE, a true Christine recognizes that homosexulaity is no more of a sin then lusting after a woman who is not yours, or stealing. Homosexuality should be viewd in the same light as all other sins, AS GOD DOES. If we are true servants of Christ then we will view all sin as the same. BUT the consequences of sin vary, all ultimatly lead to spirtual and physical death, but initially the consequences will vary.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13313594.post-50996968738734228292009-02-07T20:12:00.000-08:002009-02-07T20:12:00.000-08:00TO Mel:Religion has been the fuel for murderous in...TO Mel:<BR/><BR/>Religion has been the fuel for murderous intolerance since its horrific birth. Your extensively false arguments are only a testimony of you playing into the hands of Roland and others. By arguing against empirical, scientifically back evidence you only engorge in your ignorance of the subject. This is the empirical "Facts" Mel.<BR/><BR/>http://www.apa.org/topics/sorientation.pdf<BR/> <BR/>If you don't like them then move to Zimbabwe where pro choicers are prosecuted and homosexuality caries a life sentence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13313594.post-84514570640084075372008-12-27T03:52:00.000-08:002008-12-27T03:52:00.000-08:00Anonymous - why don't you google or wikipedia ever...Anonymous - why don't you google or wikipedia everything you just accused me of 'making up.'<BR/><BR/>Then eat an enormous slice of humble pie.<BR/><BR/>Oh, wait... 'humble' is a concept far too many Christians are unaware of.Roland Hulmehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08979437320446956987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13313594.post-53365022097878261242008-12-27T00:45:00.000-08:002008-12-27T00:45:00.000-08:00I know this is an old post but found it online sea...I know this is an old post but found it online searching on the topic. I'm a Christian who knows your statements are skewed and unfounded. As you make your claims, you don't list your sources so I can't check them out. Way to go.<BR/><BR/>First, you translated the word 'Rakh' incorrectly and I believe, on purpose. The Greek word means 'senselessness, emptyheadedness' and not 'weak, effeminate and homosexual appearance' like you stated. Don't put words in Jesus' mouth. You twist things for your agenda.<BR/><BR/>Second, Christians don't ignore the Old Testament. Christ did away with the Old Law when he died on the Cross. In Acts 10, God told Peter that all living creatures should not be considered unclean which is why Christians eat whatever meat they please. God didn't make any change regarding his commandments on homosexuality. Paul forbids in in 1 Corinthians 6:9. The greek word is arsenokoitēs which means ‘abuser of oneself with mankind; defiles one’s self with mankind; Sodomite. <BR/><BR/>Thirdly, Jesus did know Paul personally. Jesus came to him on the road of Damascus when he revealed himself to Paul (saul) and made him an Apostle. If you knew or understood the Great Commission (Matt. 28), Jesus gave authority to all the Apostles to teach what he has taught them so if Paul says something is right and something is wrong, believe him!!!! <BR/><BR/>I could go on and on with your statements but ignorance and selfishness deserves little attention so I end my rebuttal here. Get educated before you speak.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13313594.post-6302795085574552182008-12-11T20:17:00.000-08:002008-12-11T20:17:00.000-08:00to Mel: the topic here is about homosexuality and ...to Mel: the topic here is about homosexuality and how homosexuals should be granted the right to marry the person of their choice it has nothing to do with smoking , it has nothing to do with polygamy , it has nothing to do with muslims doing what they want to do if you are pro polygamy or pro smoking and what not. that is fine but i would suggest you make your own website and state your point of views on that matter. In terms of christians hating homosexuals, i am sure that is not all chrisians , but for sure a grand majority does in fact that, some christians in some states literally hate homosexuals and believe they should die , or should be killed and stuff like that...i dunno if christianity is the best religion or not , but if it would be a very clear religion with concrete values and morals ,then i do not understand why they try to judge others based on their sins, i am a roman catholic, and i have always been taught that i should never judge others on their sins but respect them and help them if i can, and focus on my sins to be a better person. Would'nt this theory be a more correct one..then why do christians like you would start judging about a behavior of somebody else, shouldnt you be helping us to get this right ?shouldnt christians help each other regardless of their sins? I think so because that is what the bible has taught. Whatever we do in this world is not for you to judge but for God to do so...he will be proud if you help your neighbors ,i believe as long as you try to do your best with yourself and are conscious of your sins and pray for forgiveness then he will understand..right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13313594.post-23672955842601780232008-12-11T20:16:00.000-08:002008-12-11T20:16:00.000-08:00to Mel: the topic here is about homosexuality and ...to Mel: the topic here is about homosexuality and how homosexuals should be granted the right to marry the person of their choice it has nothing to do with smoking , it has nothing to do with polygamy , it has nothing to do with muslims doing what they want to do if you are pro polygamy or pro smoking and what not. that is fine but i would suggest you make your own website and state your point of views on that matter. In terms of christians hating homosexuals, i am sure that is not all chrisians , but for sure a grand majority does in fact that, some christians in some states literally hate homosexuals and believe they should die , or should be killed and stuff like that...i dunno if christianity is the best religion or not , but if it would be a very clear religion with concrete values and morals ,then i do not understand why they try to judge others based on their sins, i am a roman catholic, and i have always been taught that i should never judge others on their sins but respect them and help them if i can, and focus on my sins to be a better person. Would'nt this theory be a more correct one..then why do christians like you would start judging about a behavior of somebody else, shouldnt you be helping us to get this right ?shouldnt christians help each other regardless of their sins? I think so because that is what the bible has taught. Whatever we do in this world is not for you to judge but for God to do so...he will be proud if you help your neighbors ,i believe as long as you try to do your best with yourself and are conscious of your sins and pray for forgiveness then he will understand..right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13313594.post-54804241405744365512008-11-25T17:21:00.000-08:002008-11-25T17:21:00.000-08:00Roland. The point about the raca comment was that ...Roland. The point about the raca comment was that the article's definition was inaccurate. Whether you regard the Bible as authoritative or not is irrelevant. What is important is that in an issue as sensitive and politically charged as this, the truth matters. And translating "raca" as meaning effeminate simply can not be established as "truth".<BR/><BR/>I'm inferring from your comment that "consenting adults should be allowed to have any form of relationship they want..." that you have no problem with polygamy if all adults are consenting. That's the logical conclusion to your statement. And while all major religions condemn homosexuality, not all condemn pedophilia. Your "silly" comment is simply based on ignorance. Mohammed married his favorite wife Aisha when she was 6 years old. (Although he did not consummate it until she was 9). As our societies grow increasingly multi-cultural, how are you going to tell Muslims that polygamy should not be allowed, when gay marriage is. And what argument are you going to use against someone whose defense is the life example of the "prophet" himself, and when you already support an action that to him is punishable -- according to sharia law -- by stoning?mjmiddletonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08811276895520467147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13313594.post-57751094021341582242008-11-25T10:52:00.000-08:002008-11-25T10:52:00.000-08:00Pedophile comment is a silly one. Pedophiles might...Pedophile comment is a silly one. Pedophiles might be 'born that way' as well, but sex between two consenting adults is one thing (perfectly acceptable) whereas sex with children (or animals) involves sex with people who are unable to give informed consent. That's rape and abuse.<BR/><BR/>Consenting adults should be allowed to have any form of relationship they want in the privacy of their own homes. If you want to police that, why should we stop there. America and the freedoms outlined in the constitution should mean something to you, Mel.<BR/><BR/>As for the 'raca' comment. I'm with Thomas Jefferson. The Bible is such a mess of contradictions, to argue that any position is scripturally sound is an exercise in futility. Even if you CAN argue that the Bible condemns homosexuality, in the 21st century, who the hell cares what an outdated book like the Bible says, anyway? The Bible is of historical and philosophical value only - trying to live in the 21st century by 1st century rules is, quite simply, retarded.Roland Hulmehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08979437320446956987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13313594.post-68295094163922499972008-11-25T08:51:00.000-08:002008-11-25T08:51:00.000-08:00Another point which needs to be mentioned is the u...Another point which needs to be mentioned is the use of the term "raca". The article argues that this means "effeminate". And therefore that Christ was condemning homophobic insults. But there is no evidence for this. It has also been translated as "godless" (no doubt a take on the reference from the psalmist that "the fool hath said in his heart there is no God"). There is certainly insufficient (if any) philological evidence to support the author's view that raca refers to "effeminate".mjmiddletonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08811276895520467147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13313594.post-7126326386750683392008-11-25T07:36:00.000-08:002008-11-25T07:36:00.000-08:00Roland, your line of reasoning is flawed. For one ...Roland, your line of reasoning is flawed. For one there are many ex-gays, some of whom are the most adamant (even militant) about the dangers of that lifestyle. Second, just because someone is supposedly "made that way" is no reason to condone behavior. For sure, pedophiles argue exactly that same thing...."they can't help it, they were born that way". Does that mean we should celebrate child - adult sex? Similarly there are many who would argue that they were born with a sexual orientation of polyamory. Does that mean we should legalize polygamy? I'm sure that someday scientists will discover a pyromania gene. Does that mean we should condone arson? Nor does being born with an innate desire for same gender sex minimize the risks. And HIV is only one of the many social, emotional, mental, physical, and spiritual risks.mjmiddletonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08811276895520467147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13313594.post-48186855863592122122008-11-25T06:10:00.000-08:002008-11-25T06:10:00.000-08:00Hey, Mel,I appreciate you comment - but I think it...Hey, Mel,<BR/><BR/>I appreciate you comment - but I think it's a fundementally flawed idea. Smokers CHOOSE to smoke and it's within their power to CHOOSE to quit, if they have the willpower.<BR/><BR/>Despite what Conservative Christians would LIKE to believe, every gay person I've ever met (and I know quite a few) says they were simply BORN that way. They can no more change it than the color of their skin.<BR/><BR/>God made them that way, so I certainly don't think he expects them to do the impossible and change themselves.Roland Hulmehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08979437320446956987noreply@blogger.com